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Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.04 22:22:00 - [1] RISE does not doubt that RONIN has a lot of good pilots and that they will fight to the death. We fought along side many of them (while they were willing to fight) and have a great respect for their FC's. They have continued to fight even when it is obvious that they are outnumbered and outgunned during all but a 4 hour window when RISE and RONIN are evenly matched. We have and will continue to hit significant targets where ever we find them. Today we delt RONIN a significant blow that by all accounts cost RONIN over 3 billion in ships, gear and a very strategic Large POS. We did this during their primetime with less than half our numbers online. I respect their persistence but if the situation does not change the outlook doesn't look good for RONIN's young alliance. How long can an alliance keep losing their POS's on lucrative moons while being denied access to resources and NPC bounties except with a large security detail and not have an exodus of members on your hands? We did not want this conflict and stand ready to settle it if/when RONIN will come to the table with a reasonable offer that is mutually beneficial to both parties. RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:43:00 - [2] Edited by: Kaylis Tzu on 06/11/2006 08:45:01 I can not speak for the Council or the Diplomacy Staff prior to my accepting my current post. But... I can say that we are no longer the bloated, ineffectual alliance you once knew... I can say that we have removed all those corps who lacked the ability or desire to fight for their allaince mates... I can tell you that the forces that fly the RISE flag today stand together with a unity that was not present before... I can also tell you that neither me nor anyone on my Foreign Affairs team as ever asked RONIN to come to the table nor do we intend to. RISE will continue to dimantle RONIN's ability to wage war against our forces until our enemy losses the will or ability to fight. We will support all those who stand against RONIN and fire on all those who fly with them. RISE has gone through a trial by fire and emerged a stronger more cohesive unit. Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more... RISE 4TW RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:05:00 - [3] Originally by: Pepperami Same for us, the limited stats we have show CHON with roughly double the kills and loses of the highest Rise corp (so more than double the activity), times of anchor also have more activity than any Rise corp according to A-WAR's data. Very hard, and in fact comical, to believe the claims that they never fought - that's in comparison to other rise corps, at least. I would have to aggree... Are you shocked? Please kindly review the systems and Regions in which these encounters took place before you try to reply to this thread. I have never said that CHON doesn't have good PVP'ers. I will never claim that they don't fight. Our problem stemmed from the fact that they were off padding their killboards in Syndicate and other places and not in the fight with us in our claimed space. Look at their board... Look at your board... almost 2/3's of their kills until recently are in Syndicate and almost 50% of the last 2 months are NOOB corps (which they either hide intentionally or don't have the code written correctly on their stats section so you actually have to go back manually) I can only recall a handful of times you ever tried to enter our claimed space in OR. You can keep war dec'ing us and try to pick off people in Empire (guess that's not going to well... or did you forget to pay the bill yesterday), but everyone knows how futile empire wardec's are against a 0.0 alliance. Rise will defend it's space and we don't claim TA-A7V or AE's surrounding pirating routes... See on on the battlefield. RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:16:00 - [4] Edited by: Kaylis Tzu on 08/11/2006 18:23:08 Edited by: Kaylis Tzu on 08/11/2006 18:20:26 Originally by: whisk Have to say during our little scuffle in the rings, i'd say CHON was one of the most active corps from RISE. So for you to now turn around and say "while they mined and we died on the frontlines" is complete rubbish. Anyhow goodluck with it, i just hope you get more corps to fight them compared to what you got to fight us. I have a healthy respect for you and your corp, Whisk. TOXIN is an elite PVP group and were a key factor in forcing the reformation of RISE into the orgainization we have today. I believe your colleagues have had a much different view in recent posts concerning this conflict. In looking at your boards and ours I see a different story during the conflict from 9/9 - 10/7). Although I don't doubt that you saw CHON in the area during your peak times (they do share your primetime) the record shows that just over 10% of our kills against Outbreak had a CHON pilot on it. Most of these were group efforts involving other RISE members and 1/3 of them were in their favorite hunting grounds around Orville and not in the "the rings." If you review your own boards you will see that CHON had some great kills, but they were by no means the stongest of our member corps against Outbreak. This does not mean that we don't respect CHON's abilities... They are a very worthy opponent and it will be a hard fought battle. It is unfortunate that all this could have been prevented if the forces of the new RONIN had fought as hard for us as they are now fighting against us. Both CHON and TOA had already announced their withdrawal from RISE almost 1 week before you took 9-4. Count the kills in Cloud Ring during the last 2 weeks of the conflict (2 weeks prior to 10/7). TOA leaving the alliance was the reason you got the station in 9-4 (their last day in the alliance was that day and is what left the station open to attack). RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:20:00 - [5] Originally by: Nahual CHON you guys are fools, no-one can kick anyone out of an NPC 0.0 region, so good one on thinking you're great. When we were fighting RISE, the corps that I remember fighting us were Res, stromgrumers or something like that and some other one. The only thing I remember about CHON was the wcs that you had and the running that you did (I still like your CNR death ). At least they stuck it out to the end, you bailed when it got hard, nice way to cover your ass. So I wish RISE all the best in this, I may not like them, but I dislike your arrogance even more. - Nahual - 0utbreak Originally by: Kujin Chon made a very small/ interesting couple of engaments way back in our campaign, but that¦s it... so b4 any of you wannabe¦s are up to smack anything of what i said, go ahead, still,. .. as far as i have experienced it, chon especially deserves the (hopefully)upcomming wcs nerf.... Even though i have my personal feelings on RISE,... with this statement, shivaja deserves a quicker death than RISE atm... - Kujin - 0utbreak Did you forget the comments made in your own thread? I find it funny that as soon as one Outbreak pilot responds to the this thread saying you were "active" you rally around him. There is a big difference between being active and getting kills (my post above concerns kills) as we saw clearly in Cloud Ring. CHON... You guys started this conflict by making a big deal about your "guerilla tactics". You talked about how you would hit and run and dictate the battlefield. Why is it that you now fault RISE pilots for doing the same? Guerillas don't survive long if they storm into fights they can't win. The whole goal is to survive and live to find another weakness of their target they can exploit. If you don't like the fact that we are using the same "tactics" that you proclaimed you would use on us then get use to being frustrated during your TZ. Our pilots will continue to engage you at every reasonable opportunity (I've noticed you don't come into D5 without a group as often) and in the 21 hours that you can not match us we will systematicly dismantle your ability to fight. RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Pepperami We dec'd you and ISS, it doesn't take a clone-technician to work out that it's an isk farming routine and as it goes, they're far from futile. You're just ignorant to what the advantages are (HACs hauling zydrine sure is novel!). Well I can see hitting ISS with a wardec since they are so industrial, but RISE as an alliance does not do much in empire and we are now primarily PVP corps. We have systems in place to provide what we need safely and only the most noobish or drunk (Eagle with his personal Zyd - in a cell next to Bubba for DUI) pilots ever enter empire accept for an occaisional quick ship. So... if you want to spend the money fine by me, but contrary to what RONIN would like folks to believe we have over 90% of our players in theater (although admittedly when the RONIN corps were part of RISE this was a serious problem we had with many of the 60 corps Fal was talking about and the seemingly "membership for all" policy of the old council). Originally by: Pepperami By the way I just got two questions about your alliance claims; do you claim northern syndicate or is it where the map simply overlaps? And do you yet have control of the (only?) system in outer ring that's worth having? RISE currently claims Outer Ring and those areas of Syndicate only accessable through Outer Ring (ie. EF-F cluster). As to the second question. This system is not in complete control by anyone at this time, but we utilise it's "rescources" on a fairly consistant basis. RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.14 01:27:00 - [7] I was present at ZQP and as you stated you had equal numbers and yet RONIN did not attack. RONIN had a stronger fleet with more experience pilots and they did not engage us in ZQP. In fact, we began pursueing your 14 ship gang with our 8 man gang when you left D5I. You met up with a couple other guys and even though we had grown to 12 you still had us outnumbered by at least 4-5 ships and yet you never attacked. Strategy is all about dictating the battlefield and forcing your enemy to attack on your terms. We had no reason to go into EF- because friendly forces already had the system secured so unlike RONIN being forced to protect their "%#@% POS's" we had no reason to jump into a fleet with stonger numbers. We were weren't docked... We weren't hiding... We were in the system next to you with fewer and less skilled pilots, but on even ground you chose not to engage and instead to retreat to 3KNK and begin to dock and log... Ultimately, RONIN continues to whine about our forces not engaging when the RONIN blob comes into system while those same pilots laugh in local about how pointless it is for us to try to come after them because they will just dock and waste our time. (I can provide many local logs including today's from 3KNK where they joke about the same thing you try to dog us for) You don't hear us complaining that you don't have forces on for us to engage during our primetime. We don't call RONIN pilots noobs or all the assorted selection that you have displayed in this forum. We just continue to engage all available targets and systematically dismantle your ability to wage war during the 20 hours a day that your pilots rarely show their faces our space. Ohh, and to the friendly forces fighting with us. We welcome any forces who have been aggressed or displaced by RONIN to assist elimination of a common threat. Some of them where displaced by RONIN moving into EF and surrounding areas and simply want there home back and some are allies that RONIN has engaged before the RISE/RONIN conflict that have decided to assist us because we stood with them during their conflict. We don't need anyone to fight our battles but we will not turn away groups who see the threat of RONIN as an ubalancing force in the area. Keep spining the losses and explaining away your defeats to your membership. Killboards don't reflect the BILLIONS of losses that RONIN has sustained in destroyed POS's or loss of high-end moon minerals. From RONIN's boards... RONIN have caused 3.8 billion in losses to RISE while sustaining 3.4 billion in losses. This is 52% effectiveness... BUT include 3-5 billion in lost POS's and between 2-3 billion a week in lost moon mineral revenues and it's a different picture. RISE losses: 3.8 billion + 700 mil (2 small placeholder POS on ex-RONIN moons) = 4.5 billion RONIN losses: 3.4 bill (ships) + 4.2 bill (7 POS's) + 5.2 bill (conservative total) = 12.8 billion 4.5/17.3bil (total losses) = 26% RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur
Kaylis Tzu Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.14 20:46:00 - [8] Edited by: Kaylis Tzu on 14/11/2006 20:47:15 Originally by: Gius Adoma That is true, but without VC our losses would be less also, so goes both ways! Ask and ye shall receive... Let's add them... Even though: 1. They are their own entity acting independently and were under attack by Chon and friends prior to the RISE/Ronin conflict. 2. They did not have more than 10 of the 100 ships during the D5IW assault and although we welcomed their assistance it would be safe to assume that RISE would have still destroyed the POS with the 80+ BS and support and 10 CAP ships even if VC hadn't been there. 3. The other 6 POS's we have destroyed have not involved VC's forces(outside of 1 or 2 who came to watch the fireworks). RISE + VC losses: 3.8 billion (RISE since 10/20) + 700 mil (2 small placeholder POS on ex-RONIN moons) + 1.5 billion (VC since 10/01)= 6 billion RONIN losses: 3.4 bill (ships) + 4.2 bill (7 POS's) + 5.2 bill (conservative total) + 500 mil (VC kills) = 13.3 billion 6 bil/19.3 bil (total losses) = 31% So... Although 31% is better than 26% I doubt that this stat is really what you were hoping to prove you point with. (PS. Let's not forget those pilots and outside groups that RONIN has flying with and assisting them too. We don't fault you for it, but let's not pretend that we don't all welcome friendly assistance when available.) RISE Senior Diplomat It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. Douglas MacArthur

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